Curse

Wretchman Drake · Dec 04, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Cammy

I have to agree with whoever it was saying the majority of people are too weak to stomach the abrupt change in nature from PvE to PvP. They get discouraged too easily and don't use the resources they have available to get better. Instead they go back to PvE and cry about PvP when instead they could improve and work their way up the PvP ranks.

That would be me.

I agree with most of your points. THe PvE is the same, you can take the same builds almost anywhere so I don't understand whoever said there are so many varities in PvE.

Point of my original post: Anet should concentrate their efforts into the PvP aspect of the game instead of giving you 1k ecto tards apple cider drops and stupid holiday masks along with pointless weapon skins. Oh, and about 99% of the "titles" they brought into the game. A title is supposed to show your achievements with gameplay itself, not how much money you have to go ahead and buy tons of candies.

Fried Tech · Dec 04, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

That's called "Sellout".

Or maybe right now people just suck at being skilled in this game and lose in PvP so they go over and QQ to PvE. THat's my thought.

No. Pvp sucks all together right now. All i ever see are the same builds. over and over and over.

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

Yes Anet you are a sellout. Start with one thing, and get whipped by others into creating something you made into something completely different.

Businesses do what makes them money. If anet didnt "sellout" then you wouldnt be playing guild wars at all right now.

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

And adding Heroes... THat killed the co-op playability. Might as well go play a Single Player RPG.

I can only hope GW2 will be similar to my WoW and can support good PvP.

Really? because i party with people all the time. No problem.

and GW2 will be more like WOW. A grind. So, I guess your still out of luck

Wretchman Drake · Dec 04, 2007, 07:54 PM // 19:54

LOL @ the "better graphics always win" post.

THat has been many pathetic trash talkers' excuse for the whole WoW vs GW thing... Not saying I side more with one side or the other, but whoever says and thinks "we have better graphics and dances" makes a game better, go /killself.

The Way Out · Dec 04, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

ROFLMAO...

Shing Jea is a really good chat room, man! lol

Guild Wars is slowly dying in content, because guild wars 2 is coming out. Let her rest, she gave you 2k hours worth of enjoyment for free I may add (minus the initial campaign purchases.

MithranArkanere · Dec 04, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

When you hit 'Create' in the Character selection screen two squares with THE SAME SIZE appear:

Create Roleplaying Character
Create PvP Character.

That sums it all.

IslandHermet · Dec 04, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

That would be me.

I agree with most of your points. THe PvE is the same, you can take the same builds almost anywhere so I don't understand whoever said there are so many varities in PvE.

Point of my original post: Anet should concentrate their efforts into the PvP aspect of the game instead of giving you 1k ecto tards apple cider drops and stupid holiday masks along with pointless weapon skins. Oh, and about 99% of the "titles" they brought into the game. A title is supposed to show your achievements with gameplay itself, not how much money you have to go ahead and buy tons of candies.

pve titles:
my question is what titles are usesless besides the Lb/SS/norn/asura/vangard/dwarf/sugar/drunk/wisdom/treasure/
unlucky/lucky which are not grind nor useless this is the closest thing you will get to gambling in GW which is fun for nearly everyone who has problems with gambling real money.
12 total

the titles that make you better at playing the game are
cart/vanq/guard/prot/skill hunter
all of wich are 3 titles+legendary
20 total
PvP titles:
rank/glad/champ/gamer/kurz/luxon/
6 titles

now go ahead and find 99% in those numbers

The Way Out · Dec 04, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

this is no WoW vs GW this is better graphics vs outof date graphics.
In the world of gameing Graphics are number 1 than game plot/play
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... what planet are you from? I can name ten games with awesome graphics and horrid gameplay. Those moron comments get ppl in trouble. No more moron comments. I have been gaming since pong... how old are you? I was a gamer in the 8bit era... when pixels were cool.

Sleeper Service · Dec 04, 2007, 08:28 PM // 20:28

gameplay over N graphics gameplay over graphics gameplay over I graphics gameplay over T graphics gameplay over E graphics gameplay over N graphics gameplay over D graphics gameplay over O graphics.

needs to be stamped onto every single gamepad, keyboard, mouse.

Fried Tech · Dec 04, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

gameplay over N graphics gameplay over graphics gameplay over I graphics gameplay over T graphics gameplay over E graphics gameplay over N graphics gameplay over D graphics gameplay over O graphics.

needs to be stamped onto every single gamepad, keyboard, mouse.

Nintendo Wii FTW!!!!

nintendo came back

style

grottoftl · Dec 04, 2007, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

I can only hope GW2 will be similar to my WoW

i love blizzard and world of warcraft but when reading comments like this i hate their fanbase. always thinking every mmo should be world of warcraft and causing every world of warcraft hater thinking new mmo's are a warcraft clone. as a former player of everquest i can tell you world of warcraft is not original since its just copy of all mmo's before it made easy

if you read the articles of guild wars 2, it seems the pvp is going to be somewhat like dark age of camelot, an old pvp focused mmo. i suggest reading about that game, you will become a little smarter and not have world of warcraft in the brain so much

Tyla · Dec 04, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

I have not played this game for almost half a year now, I migrated to WoW. I wasn't a huge fan of the PvE in this game. I played this game for PvP. It was made as a PvP game, but why Anet hasn't done anything for it in over a year is beyond me. The Hero Battles were a joke. Factions was a game that brought something new and exciting to PvP at the time, Alliance Battles. I don't understand why Anet doesn't add a new mode of PvP.

They claim they're too busy on GW2, but they don't understand if they lose people because of lack of content, they are going to lose some players who will switch to other games. At least that's my opinion. The RA/TA/HA's were fun for a little while, but I would like to see some bigger scale battles, or a Capture the Flag game type. So many new strageties, builds, and players would be seen playing this game again. Either a CTF or perhaps some type of conquest game, similar to AB. If they added a CTF mode that's on a scale of 10v10 or so, I would come back in an instant.

I know these are just my own selfish wants, but basically what I'm trying to say to anyone who is part of Anet is... to bring something new to PVP because this game wasn't about PvE. It's about PvP. I can get to lvl20 in 2 days it's a joke. PvP is where it was/is(?) at.

i lol'd
A:if this game wasnt about pve,why did they promote the bonus mission pack?
B:most of the community of GW is pve
C:Shrine Capping - its techniaclly capture the flag...and you have your CTF in ab - with 12v12 instead of 10v10!

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

That's called "Sellout".

I just can't fathom why people would stay in Guild Wars PvE. Lvl in 2 days, beat campaign in 3. WHat the hell more else can you possibly do in this limited game? Stand in town dancing with mini pets? My god, PvP has everlasting playability so long as the people still PvP. PvE ends in this game. Unless you decide to farm for gold for different weapon skins. I mean come on...

Or maybe right now people just suck at being skilled in this game and lose in PvP so they go over and QQ to PvE. THat's my thought.

Kudos to those who have balls to enter PvP then.

Yes Anet you are a sellout. Start with one thing, and get whipped by others into creating something you made into something completely different.

And adding Heroes... THat killed the co-op playability. Might as well go play a Single Player RPG.

I can only hope GW2 will be similar to my WoW and can support good PvP.

nice elitist remark there...not EVERYONE likes pvp because of that,which is elitism.
anet did good up to now but they are slipping.
heroes didnt kill the co-op playability,pugs did
if you want gw2 to be similar to wow,then why dont you play wow instead???

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

WoW does have better PvP. Maybe play it and not talk down something of which you have no knowledge of? I have played both games, GW for over 2k hours, and a million faction, so I know how the PvP is in both. Sorry, WoW has better PvP. THey have 4 different types of PvP, from a 10v10 CTF, an AB of their own, 40v40 conquest, etc. And you can also make builds in WoW, by spending attribute points that can allow you to learn new skills and add effects to yourself and skills. So it's not just "I use my most uber skill and kill you" like all the ignorant idiots think. I have over 30 skills with my Mage and use them ALL stragetically.

WoW PvE sucks too, it's just a grind to 70, but recently they released a patch to allow lvling ALOT faster so getting to 70 may only take less than half the time it did before.

At least in there you can run into others with the same quests, dungeon raids, etc. No heroes, no singleplayer-ness.

And I hope GW2 becomes something like that. I still like GW, and wouldn't mind going back. Idiots that say "you are playing this game, so stfu and stay there" don't really help the fanbase. Fool I had GW the month it first came out in APril2005.

WoW has CRAP PvP...walk up to someone,and 1v1 duel.(mind you that is just me.)
however gws is more coop.the reason gws has limit of skills is because it creates more balance and versatility to stop care-free picking of skills.
YOU sir are ignorant trying to turn gws into wow.heroes>you anyway.and also - you say you had gws since april 2005....but you quit for the majority of that...

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

That would be me.

I agree with most of your points. THe PvE is the same, you can take the same builds almost anywhere so I don't understand whoever said there are so many varities in PvE.

Point of my original post: Anet should concentrate their efforts into the PvP aspect of the game instead of giving you 1k ecto tards apple cider drops and stupid holiday masks along with pointless weapon skins. Oh, and about 99% of the "titles" they brought into the game. A title is supposed to show your achievements with gameplay itself, not how much money you have to go ahead and buy tons of candies.

stupid holiday masks and pointless weapon skins is what makes the game - its style with fun and youve gotta choose your skills wisely.
also - 99% of the titles? epic fail. true,most are grindfest but the cashgrinders arent as much as the timegrinders...

Bryant Again · Dec 04, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

WoW has CRAP PvP...walk up to someone,and 1v1 duel.however gws is more coop.the reason gws has limit of skills is because it creates more balance and versatility to stop care-free picking of skills.YOU sir are ignorant trying to turn gws into wow.

Battlegrounds are pretty similar to Alliance Battles. It only gets 1v1 if you run off from the group, but why would you do that?

As for the Arenas in WoW, it's pretty similar to TA: Quick battles that do require coordination. 2v2 isn't too great though, since the game is based around teamplay. So a lot of instances in 2v2 and to some extent 3v3 can at times become rock-paper-scissors. I mean so is GW but Arena is the high-end in WoW.

Tyla · Dec 04, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Battlegrounds are pretty similar to Alliance Battles. It only gets 1v1 if you run off from the group, but why would you do that?

As for the Arenas in WoW, it's pretty similar to TA: Quick battles that do require coordination. 2v2 isn't too great though, since the game is based around teamplay. So a lot of instances in 2v2 and to some extent 3v3 can at times become rock-paper-scissors. I mean so is GW but Arena is the high-end in WoW.

guess i took it a lil too far on some of that post - however i used to play wow,and was unhappy with the entire thing so im also kinda annoyrd about him trying to turn gws into wow

Bryant Again · Dec 04, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Oh no worries, I'm just informing you. In regards to who has better PvP, they're both too different in that respect to evenly compare. Both are fun though.

Oh hey Grotto 'Tendant.

HawkofStorms · Dec 04, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

This is just a terrible flamebait thread.

PvE and PvP are both two equal halves of a very complex game. Anybody who screams that their side is better or worse is full of themselves. The arguement that a.net cares more about x type of players over y have been used by both sides, so clearly there is no credibility AT ALL to those cliams. Of course people who have biases will see it that way... I have yet to met somebody who PvEs a lot who says a.net cares too much about PvE or somebody who PvPs a lot who says a.net cares too much about PvP. People always just want more content for the area of the game that they enjoy, and somehow feel like that in order to get things they have to take stuff away from and diminsh the other half of the game.

ValaOfTheFens · Dec 04, 2007, 11:25 PM // 23:25

I don't PvP because I just don't feel like it. I like exploring areas and socializing with other players. Whenever I go to RA or TA I can't help but be discouraged by the attitudes of the people there. If you don't run FoTM then STFU and GTFO. So I do. I'd like to get into GvG but my guildies are newish and my allies are all too casual to practive against.

I'd like there to be an arena dedicated to 1 vs 1 battling. I enjoy doing a 1 vs 1scrimmage in my GH and would like to 1 vs 1 in a real PvP environment. I see 1 vs 1 on the automated tournament thingy but thats for pros. Since I'm not a pro I want to start small and go from there.

Tender Wolf · Dec 04, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Personally I see that if this game wasn't meant for PVE, ANet wouldn't have made the storylines in it. I think the PVP is fine the way it is, but then again the only PVP I do is AB. And that's rarely. My main focuses in the game are mostly armors and titles, which most of those are obtained through PVE. But I can see your point, some new things could make the game more exciting while we all wait for Guild Wars 2.

genofreek · Dec 04, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

What was the phrase that PvPers say to PvEers who request things?

Right. QQ MOAR.

[...]

By the way, where's the actual suggestion?

QFT. Apparently "MAKE IT BETTER NOOOW" is only okay if you're killing other people instead of AI monsters.

gremlin · Dec 05, 2007, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Love some of the posts here
Pve sucks because you can level up in 2 days hmm not in prophesies I would have thought but yep easy in factions.

Beat campaign in 3 days yes if you can spend 12 or 14 hours a day on it but then paying $50 for a game and deliberatly finishing it in 3 days seems a pointless excersise.

I bought the game for pve with players and have little interest in pvp unless it is regulated more.
You need to grade the quality of teams so new players can pvp against teams with comparable abilities.
The really good players and teams need to play at their own level so no easy kills for them.
If thats now the norm for pvp then I am plaeased and might take part more.

To all those who persistantly come over to tell us just how much better wow is and how gw is terrible I refer you to what Cromwell said to the English parliament.

You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately ... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

Burst Cancel · Dec 05, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

As I've said elsewhere, one of the fundamental conundrums of game design is that casual players are where the money is, but casual players cannot drive a quality game. Games for casual players don't need depth - they need content, at a level of difficulty and complexity that the average, hour-a-day, don't-care-to-think player could manage. Take a look at the fundamentals - some of the best games ever made: Chess, Go, etc. These games aren't fundamentally for casual players, because they're very technically complex, and have very little 'content'.

As such, the real issue here isn't PvE vs. PvP, but that the game simply fails to evolve and improve in any format.